28151 - N. Lygeros’s interview by G. Syligardaki, “Thrace” in Xanthi

N. Lygeros
Translated from the Greek by Athena Kehagias

Question: I saw the text you’ve sent me regarding Mr. Erdogan questioning the Lausanne Treaty. Taking it into consideration, do you assume that his statements were made for internal consumption and that alone?

Answer: The statements of the Turkish President were certainly made for domestic consumption, because he sees that there is a context within which, his movements within the sovereignty are disputed, and likewise in regards to the Kurds.
However, those statements simultaneously follow a general tendency which attempts to present as a victim the State which has committed so many genocides without ever recognizing them.
He bets hereon on the fact that, experts and diplomats aside, nobody has dealt with the Treaty of Lausanne and they are in actual fact unaware as to what Turkey has grabbed from other nations on account of it.
Only that Turkey’s artificial victimization is not going to affect but only the serviles.

Question: Is this the reason for the rather sudden “contradistinction” that we see taking place in recent days between Greece and Turkey, or is there something more hidden, as per your estimation, behind the new revival of Turkish provocations, and her claims upon the Aegean islands? How do you judge the reaction of the Greek side?

Answer: There is not in actual fact any contradiction between Greece and Turkey, because quite simply servility was never in contradistinction with the genocidor.
Quite simply, as the later doesn’t see any resistance due to ideology, he is pressuring more and more in order to get something extra from what he was classicly claiming, without of course any response.
Under the pretext of the crisis there is no interest in regards to national issues in Greece, and ideologically some have remained with the thinking that the Aegean belongs to the fish, so how could there be any true contradiction?
This would have been possible if we had in government someone of the magnitude of Tassos Papadopoulos.
In any case Turkey’s unreasonable claims in regards to the Aegean islands, are based on the fact that the Lausanne Treaty speaks only of limits from the east coast upto the 3NM, whereas Turkey would’ve liked for them to be borders, and at 6 NM.
But what she doesn’t say is that she has to confront the Paris Treaty of 1947 which allowed the incorporation of the Dodecanese to Greece. But in this case there’s nothing she has to say.

Question: How do you see this tension in relation to the wider Eastern Mediterranean context, and the rivalries of the great powers, and especially that between the USA and Russia?
Answer: There is no crisis at this level, and is certainly insignificant as per the fact that we are discussing it in relation to the major changes which are taking place in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East.
As far as Turkey is concerned, Greece simply constitutes the easiest and surest enemy in relation to all the others which are situated in the region.

It is therefore ideal so that Turkey would emerge as a great power, whereas in relation to the other powers of course, it’s forced to accept that she doesn’t even constitute a regional power and that she’s incompetent to manage even its internal problems.

Question: I would like your more general appreciation, both regarding this Greek-Turkish intensity, and generally as to where the situation stands in the wider geostrategic field of our region.

Answer: The developments of the region do not regard Greece at all, since our homeland ought to be found in another phase in order to actively participate in the Eastern Mediterranean data as such.
The later, as a context of development doesn’t concern Turkey, since it has no role to play due to the existence of Cyprus, Lebanon and Israel.
Additionally, Egypt obtains European aspirations and can’t afford to waste time with her.
Now, as far as the problems in Syria and Iraq are concerned, Turkey will suffer a great cost, both due to her involvement in, and the cooperation with, the Daesh terrorist organization, as well as her efforts to eradicate the Kurds.
As a result, the Kurdish issue will become a territorial one, and the Sevres Treaty will play an active role, which by the way Turkey thought she had buried away.
Because Western Armenia as well will come to enhance Kurdistan, through America’s indirect support and a direct one from Russia.